Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

03/03/2021 01:30 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:39:00 PM Start
01:39:45 PM Presentation: Governor's Appointments & Alaska Legislative Council Vs. Dunleavy
02:08:23 PM Adjourn
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+ Presentation: Governor's Appointments & Alaska TELECONFERENCED
Legislative Council vs. Dunleavy by
Megan Wallace, Legal Services Director
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 3, 2021                                                                                          
                           1:39 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Liz Snyder                                                                                                       
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Christopher Kurka                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: GOVERNOR'S APPOINTMENTS & ALASKA LEGISLATIVE                                                                      
COUNCIL VS. DUNLEAVY                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN WALLACE, Legislative Legal Counsel                                                                                        
Legislative Legal and Research Services                                                                                         
Legislative Affairs Services                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented on Governor's Appointments &                                                                   
Alaska Legislative Council vs. Dunleavy                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MATT  CLAMAN called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order at 1:39 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representatives    Drummond,    Claman,     and    Snyder    (via                                                               
teleconference)   were   present   at    the   call   to   order.                                                               
Representatives   Kurka,   Eastman,  and   Kreiss-Tompkins   (via                                                               
teleconference) arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Governor's  Appointments   &  Alaska  Legislative                                                               
Council vs. Dunleavy                                                                                                            
   Presentation: Governor's Appointments & Alaska Legislative                                                               
                      Council vs. Dunleavy                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
1:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
a   Presentation,  titled   "Governor's  Appointments   &  Alaska                                                               
Legislative Council vs. Dunleavy."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   remarked  that   the  House   Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee  had previously  submitted written  questions, provided                                                               
in the committee  packet, to Legislative Legal  Services, and its                                                               
Director, Megan  Wallace, was scheduled to  present the committee                                                               
with answers.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:40:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN WALLACE, Director,  Legislative Legal Services, Legislative                                                               
Affairs  Agency, in  offering  an answer  to  the first  question                                                               
regarding  what issues  Judge Pallenberg  addressed in  the final                                                               
order, first,  provided a synopsis  in advance of  addressing the                                                               
committee's  previously  submitted  questions.   She  said  that,                                                               
during the Thirty-First Alaska State  Legislature, House Bill 309                                                               
was  passed  and  enacted,  which   extended  the  time  for  the                                                               
legislature  to  confirm or  decline  to  confirm an  appointment                                                               
presented  by  the  governor.     She  added  that  the  specific                                                               
provision at issue  provided that the failure  of the legislature                                                               
to act  on appointments during  the second regular  session would                                                               
become  tantamount  to a  declination  [of  the appointment]  the                                                               
earlier  of  either  January  18,  2021,  or  thirty  days  after                                                               
expiration of  the declaration of  disaster from March  11, 2020.                                                               
She  explained  that  the  expiration   of  the  declaration  was                                                               
November 15, 2020,  and 30 days after that date  was December 15,                                                               
2020.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE further  explained that  on December  16, 2020,  the                                                               
governor issued  letters to the then-presiding  officers that the                                                               
appointees  who had  not  yet been  confirmed  would continue  to                                                               
serve valid  appointments.  She  explained that  the continuation                                                               
of the  service of  [the appointees]  was the  determining factor                                                               
for the Legislative Council at the  time to file suit in December                                                               
of 2020.   She referred to  the summary judgment issued  by Judge                                                               
Pallenberg, and  she stated  that a final  judgment in  the case,                                                               
entered on  February 25,  2021, that  found that  the legislature                                                               
enacted House  Bill 309 validly  and that a violation  of neither                                                               
the  Alaska  State  Constitution  nor the  separation  of  powers                                                               
doctrine was found.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  explained that, as  a result of the  lawsuit brought                                                               
by the  Legislative Council,  the governor  filed a  cross motion                                                               
for  summary  judgment  claiming  that House  Bill  309  and  the                                                               
procedural  statute governing  appointments, Alaska  Statute (AS)                                                               
39.05.080(3)  were both  unconstitutional, neither  of which  was                                                               
found in the  judgment.  She added that the  final judgment found                                                               
that  Article  3,  Sections  25   and  26  of  the  Alaska  State                                                               
Constitution does  not require the  legislature to meet  in joint                                                               
session  to  decline appointments.    She  added that  the  final                                                               
judgment  also confirms  that the  appointments presented  by the                                                               
governor  during the  second legislative  session of  the Thirty-                                                               
First  Legislative Session  became tantamount  to declination  on                                                               
December 15, 2020,  and that the governor had  no legal authority                                                               
to continue  the appointments nor  to reappoint the  same persons                                                               
to those  positions after their appointment  became tantamount to                                                               
declination.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:47:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE added  that the final judgment  further provides that                                                               
the appointments  were not  valid from  December 16,  2020, until                                                               
the time at which those  appointments were presented to the first                                                               
session  [of the  Thirty-Second Alaska  State Legislature].   She                                                               
drew  attention to  the  final paragraph  of  the final  judgment                                                               
stating that the court expressed no  opinion on the ability for a                                                               
person to  contest the action  of a person whose  appointment was                                                               
not valid during the time in question.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE referred  to  the next  question  by the  committee,                                                               
which read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        How did the final order differ from his earlier                                                                         
     decision denying the request for injunctive relief?                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  explained that, after the  Legislative Council filed                                                               
its  complaint  in  [the  Alaska] Superior  Court,  it  sought  a                                                               
preliminary  injunction preventing  the governor  from permitting                                                               
the continuation of  appointments as he did  through his December                                                               
16,  2020, letter  to the  then-presiding officers.   She  stated                                                               
that the order of the injunction  was not based on its merits but                                                               
on  purely legal  issues and  no factual  disputes, which  led to                                                               
summary judgment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  suggested that the  primary question related  to the                                                               
judgment  is the  third question  asked by  the committee,  which                                                               
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     What is  the impact  of Judge Pallenberg's  decision on                                                                    
     re-appointment of commissioners who were never                                                                             
     confirmed?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE explained  that the  legislature never  disputed the                                                               
governor's power  to reappoint persons  that had  been considered                                                               
declined by  apparition of law.   She added that the  reason that                                                               
the  ability of  the  governor to  reappoint  appointees was  not                                                               
contested is due to language in AS 39.05.080(3) which read:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     . The  governor may not  appoint again the  same person                                                                    
     whose confirmation  was refused  for the  same position                                                                    
     or  membership  during  the   regular  session  of  the                                                                    
     legislature  at  which  confirmation was  refused.  The                                                                    
     person  whose name  is refused  for appointment  by the                                                                    
     legislature  may not  thereafter  be  appointed to  the                                                                    
     same position or membership  during the interim between                                                                    
     regular legislative sessions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.   WALLACE   explained   that   since   the   restriction   on                                                               
reappointment was  only in the interim  between regular sessions,                                                               
the  governor, under  AS 39.05.080(3)  the governor  was free  to                                                               
reappoint those  persons at the  beginning of [the  first regular                                                               
session of  the Thirty-Second  Alaska State  Legislature], which,                                                               
in large p[art, is what he did.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:51:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  drew attention to  question 3. a. by  the committee,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       Is the federal structure different than our state                                                                        
     structure?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE   explained  that   the  difference   between  state                                                               
appointments and federal appointments  is that state appointments                                                               
may begin  serving immediately,  whereas federal  appointees must                                                               
await confirmation before serving.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:52:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE next  addressed the fourth question,  which asked how                                                               
the   Pallenberg   decision   affected  several   categories   of                                                               
appointees,   the  first   listed  read   as  follows   [original                                                               
punctuation included]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        A Governor's appointee named in 2020 before the                                                                         
        legislature adjourned (example: Lucinda Mahoney,                                                                        
     Revenue Commissioner);                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE restated  that it  had  not been  disputed that  the                                                               
governor had  the power to  reappoint persons who  had previously                                                               
been  considered declined  by apparition  of House  Bill 309  for                                                               
consideration  in [the  Thirty-Second  Alaska State  Legislature]                                                               
and the legislature is free  to consider appointments made during                                                               
the  current  legislative session  for  confirmation  in a  joint                                                               
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE addressed  the next  category  of appointees  listed                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         A Governor's appointee named in 2020 after the                                                                         
      legislature adjourned or 2021 (example: Treg Taylor,                                                                      
     Attorney General);                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE  stated that  the  lawsuit  and Pallenberg  decision                                                               
specifically  addressed   only  appointments  submitted   to  the                                                               
legislature  during the  second  regular session  of the  Thirty-                                                               
First  Alaska State  Legislature and  that any  appointments made                                                               
after   that  time   would   follow   the  prescribed   statutory                                                               
confirmation process,  which she  stated her understanding  to be                                                               
what had occurred with the example asked by the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE addressed  the next  category  of appointees  listed                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation included]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     A  Governor's  appointee  named   in  2020  before  the                                                                    
     legislature adjourned  who was  subject to  a statutory                                                                    
     process  before  the governor's  appointment  (example:                                                                    
     Samantha Cherot, Public Defender);                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE stated  that she did not feel comfortable  to offer a                                                               
specific  opinion  on  any statutory  appointments,  adding  that                                                               
there  exist   statutory  appointments   which  have   their  own                                                               
statutory  requirements.  She  advised   that  because  there  is                                                               
ongoing litigation, the committee  should ask the Alaska Judicial                                                               
Council  any questions  about the  impact of  the lawsuit  on the                                                               
Public Defender's  appointment or  the council's position  on the                                                               
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  addressed the final  category of  appointees listed,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     A Chief  Justice's appointee named  in 2020  before the                                                                    
     legislature   adjourned  (example:   a  public   member                                                                    
     appointee  to  the   Select  Committee  on  Legislative                                                                    
     Ethics).                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  explained that appointments to  the Select Committee                                                               
on Legislative Ethics  is governed by AS  24.160.130 and requires                                                               
that appointees  be ratified by  two-thirds of the  membership of                                                               
both  legislative bodies;  however, it  does not  specify that  a                                                               
joint session  is required.   She stated her understanding  to be                                                               
that those appointments  had been ratified by each  body prior to                                                               
the extended recess  in 2020.  She stated  her understanding that                                                               
the  Pallenberg  decision would  not  have  any impact  on  those                                                               
appointments.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE drew attention to  question 5 by the committee, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Does  a committee  that  holds  a confirmation  hearing                                                                    
     have the option of:                                                                                                        
     a.  Not  moving  that nomination  forward  following  a                                                                    
     hearing  in   the  committee   and,  having   "held"  a                                                                    
     nomination  in committee,  thereby  have  the power  to                                                                    
     prevent  the   joint  session  from   considering  that                                                                    
     nomination?                                                                                                                
     b.  Not holding  a  confirmation  hearing in  committee                                                                    
     and,  similar  to  6.a.,  thereby  have  the  power  to                                                                    
     prevent  the   joint  session  from   considering  that                                                                    
     nomination?                                                                                                                
     c. What  is the  impact in scenario  6.a. or  6.b. (one                                                                    
     body  not moving  a nomination  forward)  if the  other                                                                    
     body forwards that nomination to the joint session?                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  said AS 39.05.080,  which governs the  procedure for                                                               
appointments,  "contemplates" that  committees will  consider the                                                               
governor's appointees  prior to a joint  session; however, "those                                                               
provisions   related   to   committee  action   are   legislative                                                               
procedural  statute."  She  said  the  courts  are,  in  general,                                                               
unwilling to  invalidate actions  wherein the  legislature should                                                               
fail  to follow  its  own  rules of  procedure,  as  long as  the                                                               
constitutional  requirement is  not impacted  by that  procedural                                                               
violation.   She  added that  the  issue had,  to her  knowledge,                                                               
never  been  litigated, "  so  it  would  be  a matter  of  first                                                               
impression."  She continued as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I think  when you  look at  the Alaska  Supreme Court's                                                                    
     decisions regarding  the unwillingness  to weigh  in in                                                                    
     matters of  legislative procedure  in the absence  of a                                                                    
     constitutional   requirement,   that  the   committees'                                                                    
     failure ...  to take  up ... an  appointment or  to not                                                                    
     pass it  out or  to hold  the appointment  in committee                                                                    
     would not  impact the legislature's  ability to  hold a                                                                    
     vote on  that appointment in  joint session.   In other                                                                    
     words,  the Alaska  Constitution, for  example, doesn't                                                                    
     require the  ... appointee to  pass out of  a committee                                                                    
     before the  legislature has the  power to  confirm that                                                                    
     individual.   So, ...  it's my opinion  that even  if a                                                                    
     committee  were  unable  or unwilling  to  forward  the                                                                    
     name, that  when the  ... body  gets together  in joint                                                                    
     session and becomes the unicameral  body, that the body                                                                    
     can  still  act  on  that  ...  appo1intment  that  was                                                                    
     presented to the legislature.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:00:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE drew attention to  question 6 by the committee, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Is the Governor raising any issues on appeal that                                                                        
     Judge Pallenberg did not decide?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE stated  that the  appeal is  just getting  underway.                                                               
She said  that the statement  of points on appeal  indicates that                                                               
has  been  filed  indicates  that the  Superior  Court  erred  in                                                               
granting  summary  judgment  in  favor  of  the  legislature  and                                                               
concluding that  AS 39.05.080(3)  and House  Bill 309  purport to                                                               
authorize the legislature to reject  appointments by inaction and                                                               
do not violate Article 3, Sections  26 and 27 of the Alaska State                                                               
Constitution.  She continued as follows:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        They also contest that this governor didn't have                                                                        
     recess appointment authority under Article 3, Section                                                                      
     27 of the Alaska State Constitution.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE  offered to entertain  additional questions  from the                                                               
committee and cautioned that there  is ongoing litigation, so she                                                               
may not be able to answer all questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:03:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether a  federal appointee whose appointment                                                               
was declined could be reappointed by the President.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WALLACE stated  her understanding that the  President may not                                                               
reappoint  a  person who  has  been  declined, citing  that  this                                                               
historically has not occurred.  She  disclosed that she is not an                                                               
expert on the federal appointment process.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN asked whether the  governor's 2020 appointments were                                                               
reappointed with a  new date of appointment or the  same date and                                                               
whether [the date of reappointment] was significant.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WALLACE  answered  that  the documents  that  she  had  seen                                                               
contained  the same  dates.   She added  that a  large number  of                                                               
appointments had  been submitted on  January 19, 2021,  which was                                                               
prior to the  decision by the court.  She  stated her uncertainty                                                               
regarding  the  position  of  the   governor  pertaining  to  the                                                               
reappointments  since the  ruling, and  she noted  that the  term                                                               
dates of the appointments had not changed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:07:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked what the committee's intention                                                                     
would be to proceed considering the information put forward in                                                                  
the presentation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:07:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN   stated  that  the  committee   would  proceed  by                                                               
conducting confirmation  hearings on  appointees referred  to the                                                               
committee, and that the length of  the hearings would be based on                                                               
public participation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:08 p.m.                                                                 

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